One idea is to attack an outer ring of enemy air defenses with F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, opening an alley for an F-22 stealth jet carrying sensitive surveillance pods to fly deeper into contested territory, where it could, for example, guide a powerful sea-launched cruise missile to a mobile or hidden target.
Tuesday, January 10, 2012
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What the heck does Iran's "swarm tactics" has to do with supposed need to open corridor for F22 with F35s??? Is this the latest attempt of some LMT minion to portray the F35 as useful for the current situation with Iran?
Because we sure seem to remember how useful stealth fighters were in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and I guess "coming soon to a movie theater near you":IRAN!!! Yeah, I guess we need F35s to defeat all those Chinese submarines too.
I can't believe that you have to pay a subscription to read this garbage.
Somebody in another forum was positing that F-35 was essential for global strike, until the range issue was pointed out. Others point out its supposed usefulness for BMD defense. New missions for the F-35 just keep creeping out of the woodwork.
I know what you mean.
I came up with the idea of using them as QF-35 targets for William Tell Shoot-Ex's.
Eric you are incorrect.QF35 wil be useless. I have read from others(jack jack amongst others) that the F35 is invisable, does Mach 1.6, and outmanouvers everything at 9g.
So how will legacy aircrat and the F22 find it to use as a target.
If we don't have F-22s, F-35 is useless to strike targets without mass loss.
Mission Planning is important.
But if we have the ability of mission planning, cruise missile is more effective and economic than F-35.
Wow that's a bad article!
Notice that the emerging Chinese are A2A threats are ignored. The idea that the F-35 is going to attack anything without serious fighter escorts is flawed.
Also the OTH radar systems in China can "see" stealth aircraft at long range.
F-35 doesn't even have completed computer yet. It has no meaningful combat capability to speak of.
As a deterrent...
why integrate a surveillance recon pod(?) on short-endurance F-22s to search for mobile targets, when long-endurance VLO UCAV are being designed to do just that?
Alternatively, develop a VLO sea-launched cruise missile which can double as recon and targeting for said next-gen sea-launched cruise missiles.
Counter threatening air defense 'rings' and potential aerial threats with F-22, or hypothetical FB-22/23 down the road - an actual capability needed before any unrealistic F-35 attack jet strategy. Just escort with upgraded next-gen F-15E.
Call it a day.
You got it, a modern F-15E/SE will do the job just fine with the appropriate cruise missiles/stand-off weapons without the need for a Joint PowerPoint Fighter.
An FB-22 would be the optimal solution but its doubtful that we'll see the Raptor developed beyond the standard airframe with the huge budget cuts coming.
Or as another said here, the F-22 is deader than Elvis!
RIP
"the F-22 is deader than Elvis, RIP"
Roger that! Sustainment is also strangled. RIP USAF
Why not just have R2D2 (He'd fit quite nicely in LiftFan cavity of a 'B')use 'his' omniscient 360° spherical situational awareness to fend off any pesky SAMs or interceptors, while the brave JSF pilots use The Force (supplied via the HMD) to locate and navigate the 'corridor' to the Iranian Jihad Star's vulnerable core?
That way you wouldn't even need to chance suffocating another innocent Raptor pilot...
It doesn't matter. Budgets will be so tight that the only option will be to revive the sailing warship. And it's well known that Iron Men in Wooden Ships have the strength of at least twenty times their number of landlubbers.
nico,
Further on what you were getting at, in the 1st Gulf war, the lions share of precision strike was carried out by F111's not the much lauded F117 as many believe.
Snorbak, careful you will upset Bonza, by quoting the facts.
Can not wait for the rebuff.
One could start by pointing out that all the well defended targets were taken out by F-117's.
Bonza is back
"One could start by pointing out that all the well defended targets were taken out by F-117's."
Not true:
Read this:
"Many of DOD's and manufacturers' postwar claims about weapon system performance--particularly the F-117, TLAM, and laser-guided bombs--were overstated, misleading, inconsistent with the best available data, or unverifiable."
http://www.fas.org/man/gao/nsiad97134/letter.htm
and...
"F-117s. DOD’s title V report stated that 80 percent of the bombs dropped by F-117s hit their target—an accuracy rate characterized by its primary contractor, Lockheed, as “unprecedented.” However, in Desert Storm, (1) approximately one-third of the reported F-117 hits either lacked corroborating support or were in conflict with other available data; (2) the probability of bomb release for a scheduled F-117 mission was only 75 percent; and (3) for these reasons and because of uncertainty in the data, the probability of a target’s being hit from a planned F-117 strike in Desert Storm ranged between 41 and 60 percent.18 Similarly, (1) F-117s were not the only aircraft tasked to targets in and around Baghdad where the defenses were characterized as especially intense, (2) F-117s were neither as effective on the first night of the war as claimed nor solely responsible for the collapse of the Iraqi IADS in the initial hours of the campaign, (3) F-117s did not achieve surprise every night of the campaign, and (4) F-117s occasionally benefited from jammer support aircraft."
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