Bit skewed with the caveat of the Eagles HLLH profile (assuming the F-22 is staying high due stealth) and, the F-22 can't do LGBs. Not sure what the point is.
First chart is for high threat mission. F-15E would need to go low in order to have any chance of surviving. But with the threats around today (this work was done in 2002), the chances of survival are even lower. Also, weapon of choice, today, particularly for SEAD/DEAD missions most likely SDB Mk I, II and/or III.
Second chart is very relevant. Remember, JSF combat radius target for CTOL was 690 nm but actual is less than 590 and still heading South.
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@ the 2nd Anonymous,
An F-15E with CFT + 3 EFT will have higher HLLH, don't worry about that. It's LM's data afterall, of course it's skewed. ;)
And while SDB II will eventually become a truly valid SEAD/DEAD asset capability, it will still be the AGM-88 class systems which offer even more real-world capabilities in the mid-term.
But in an intercept, or CAP profile, nothing in the USAF inventory today will compete with an F-15E endurance and range.
Testing 1,2,3... thanks for including my response, ELP
Not sure why a couple of my posts didn't print... I've tinkered around with the settings lately so maybe I'll have to adjust something later.
Anyway, give me 4x increment 3.2+ F-22 armed with IIR-tipped AIM-162, escorted by 2x escort F-15E+ equipped with a newly designed 350-400 gal Air superiority CFT adapted for semi-recessed AAM, an enhanced 280mm AAS-42 derive strategic IRST and centerline AEA/escort jam pod for a 2018 Red Flag vs 4x AMRAAM armed F-22 + 2x F-35 block III... and one will most likely be surprised how such superior systems onboard a modernized F-15 (from redirected investments) can better force-multiply a TACAIR fleet in the mid-term. imho
F-22 wont be a credible striker until it has a FLIR as well as LGBs.
JDAM only loadouts limits it's AG capability to a mere party trick. No flexibility with ROE that requires target, low confidence coordinates, moving targets or dynamic targeting.
The main goal of the F-22 is to take down IADS of which most are fixed targets. And yes Block30 can retarget. Airfield POL, shelters, large-low-band radar, and so on. Once IADs are significantly beat down, you can do pretty much what you want. They are complementary capability. http://goo.gl/oEmQz That is if the F-35 ever works. However without the F-22; vs high end threats, there is no interdiction or CAS.
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Bit skewed with the caveat of the Eagles HLLH profile (assuming the F-22 is staying high due stealth) and, the F-22 can't do LGBs. Not sure what the point is.
Rex
Rex,
Two points, I think.
First chart is for high threat mission. F-15E would need to go low in order to have any chance of surviving. But with the threats around today (this work was done in 2002), the chances of survival are even lower. Also, weapon of choice, today, particularly for SEAD/DEAD missions most likely SDB Mk I, II and/or III.
Second chart is very relevant. Remember, JSF combat radius target for CTOL was 690 nm but actual is less than 590 and still heading South.
I think that in the near future, advances in sensors and computing power will result in aircraft like the F-22 having to do a HLLH approach as well.
If survival is less important. As for the F-22, again, it just shows it is the right aircraft for Japan, Israel and Australia.
--manually posting this... don't know why it did not post....
geogen has left a new comment on your post "F-22 radius figures":
@ the 2nd Anonymous,
An F-15E with CFT + 3 EFT will have higher HLLH, don't worry about that. It's LM's data afterall, of course it's skewed. ;)
And while SDB II will eventually become a truly valid SEAD/DEAD asset capability, it will still be the AGM-88 class systems which offer even more real-world capabilities in the mid-term.
But in an intercept, or CAP profile, nothing in the USAF inventory today will compete with an F-15E endurance and range.
Testing 1,2,3... thanks for including my response, ELP
Not sure why a couple of my posts didn't print... I've tinkered around with the settings lately so maybe I'll have to adjust something later.
Anyway, give me 4x increment 3.2+ F-22 armed with IIR-tipped AIM-162, escorted by 2x escort F-15E+ equipped with a newly designed 350-400 gal Air superiority CFT adapted for semi-recessed AAM, an enhanced 280mm AAS-42 derive strategic IRST and centerline AEA/escort jam pod for a 2018 Red Flag vs 4x AMRAAM armed F-22 + 2x F-35 block III... and one will most likely be surprised how such superior systems onboard a modernized F-15 (from redirected investments) can better force-multiply a TACAIR fleet in the mid-term. imho
F-22 wont be a credible striker until it has a FLIR as well as LGBs.
JDAM only loadouts limits it's AG capability to a mere party trick. No flexibility with ROE that requires target, low confidence coordinates, moving targets or dynamic targeting.
Rex
Nice try. Keep guessing.
The main goal of the F-22 is to take down IADS of which most are fixed targets. And yes Block30 can retarget. Airfield POL, shelters, large-low-band radar, and so on. Once IADs are significantly beat down, you can do pretty much what you want. They are complementary capability.
http://goo.gl/oEmQz
That is if the F-35 ever works. However without the F-22; vs high end threats, there is no interdiction or CAS.
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